I'm Michael Barr I'm the Joan and Sanford Weill Dean of the Gerald r Ford School of Public Policy and it's my distinct pleasure and honor to welcome you here today for this wonderful discussion I'm delighted to see so many Michigan alumni and friends in the audience happy homecoming I'm sorry that the weather is looking a little bit iffy now and for tomorrow but it is still fallen Ann Arbor and the home team is favored to win by two touchdowns we'll see how that goes but the University of Michigan established the forerunner of the school that were in today in 1914 so more than a hundred years ago in the Progressive Era and it was the first of its kind in the country and has really been a model ever since as you know Gerald Ford captain the Michigan football team here in the 1930s went on to raise a family of four with mrs. Betty Ford and to spent his life in principled public service in Congress and eventually in the White House when Michigan named our public policy school for President Ford in 1999 so nearly 20 years ago the pride floats strongly in both directions between the University and the Ford family the family as we visited here many times and students and faculty here have come to talk it often about what we call the Ford legacy that is leadership grounded in service a commitment to hard work and getting the facts right and having the courage and wisdom as leaders to do what is right no matter what the personal cost we're gathered here in one of our larger spaces for classes and events the Betty Ford classroom aptly named known informally and with affection by our students simply as the Betty I hope you got a chance to see of the won some of the wonderful photos of mrs. Ford in the vestibule they capture at least some part of the strength and joy and love with which she lived her life I'm honored to introduce today's featured guests here to tell us more about mrs. Ford's life and legacy I start with a host for our conversation mr. Mike Ford Mike is the eldest son of former President Gerald R and Betty Ford Mike and his wife Gail have three daughters and eight grandchildren he currently chairs the Gerald R Ford Presidential Foundation is served on the Ford schools visiting committee for many many years Mike has a BA from Wake Forest and a master's in divinity and for the last 36 years he has built a long and successful career in student affairs serving in multiple leadership roles at Wake Forest as he retired earlier this year Wake Forest presented Mike with a medallion of Merit Award in honor of his many years of service to the school and its students commenting on that award one of Mike's colleagues University chaplain Tim Allman said of Mike he models for students quote what it means to be a person of integrity to be a truth teller to be a person who values service Mike thank you for your friendship to the Ford school and of course for being with us here today and now our special guests the highly successful award-winning journalist Lisa McCubbin MS McCubbin has been a television news anchor and reporter hosted her own radio show and spent six years in the Middle East as a freelance writer she's written and co-written a number of books that have topped the New York Times bestseller list including the Kennedy detail mrs. Kennedy and me five days in November and five presidents her latest book released just two weeks ago is titled Betty Ford first lady woman advocate survivor trailblazer it's the first in-depth biography of Betty Ford reviewers have called the book quote a meticulously researched and delightful biography and quote a warmly sympathetic biography of a woman Ms McCubbin were so honored to have you here to share with us what you've learned about the woman who is in a very real way a guiding light for the entire Ford school and the University of Michigan community and so with that please join me in thanking our special guests I'm gonna now turn it over to Mike to run the show thank you Michael indeed it is a great pleasure to to be back at the University of Michigan and at the Ford school this is this place is a very special kind of home for our family our extended family and we love coming back here too for me to see college campus students you know is in my DNA I you know in my career at in higher education I I love to be around college students and faculty and and and here at Michigan the ways in which this university in the school is impacted our our family is very very meaningful but last spring we had this very special event hosted by the Ford school to honor my mother Betty Ford on her 100-year anniversary it was in April and the school just rolled out this wonderful recognition of her life and in this space and and it was very very special and now we're continuing the discussion here with Lisa's biography on my mother and it's only appropriate that we're back again in my mother's 100th year on this wonderful book that Lisa's written and we're thrilled to have it out and Lisa is going to share a little more about my mom's life and we're gonna have a little discussion so take it away okay so in writing this book I have to tell a quick little story because when I was first approached with the idea to write a biography of Betty Ford I didn't really know that much about her to be honest and so I knew I would devote two years of my life to this project and I had to be passionate about it so I told my editor I said I need to just think about I need to research this a little bit and I went for a long walk I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and on this walk where I just been approached with this idea I kid you not I saw four people wearing University of Michigan sweater and I took that as a sign it became the first of many signs and I'm so glad I did so I'm gonna start off with a little bit about Betty's early life she was born Elizabeth and bloomer April 8 1918 she was born in Chicago and then the family moved to Denver and then she had two older brothers bill and Bob and the family moved to Grand Rapids Michigan and when Betty was about three years old into this house at 7:17 fountain Street and this is where Betty said her memories began she her her mother was named Hortense her father was William s bloomer and he was a traveling salesman and he wasn't uh he wasn't home a lot but every time he came home he would bring Betty a stuffed animal so this is a picture of her with one of her favorite animals and the family had a summer cottage at Whitefish Lake that they would go to and spend most of the summers and when Betty was little she would wander around from table to table little picnic tables everywhere and the people thought she was so cute and she had this bubbly personality and they'd give her a cookie and a brownie and she started getting chubby so her mother one day put a sign around her neck that said please do not feed this child so betty was kind of a tomboy having two older brothers and she was very athletic her mother wanted to instill some femininity into her so she enrolled her in dance class when she was eight years old the Calla travis school of dancing in Grand Rapids and from the moment she started Betty said dance was her happiness she wanted to take every kind of dance there was she started with ballroom dancing and then went on to ballet and tap and modern dance and she fell in love with modern dance and ended up going to the Bennington College School of Dance at a summer program in Stowe Vermont and studying under Martha Graham who was the grande Tom of modern dance when Betty was 20 she went to New York and actually danced in Martha Graham's troupe she didn't make the the a team so to speak because Betty liked to socialize see everybody I interviewed and like I'm sure you can attest to this Betty liked to have a good time she always had a lot of boys wanting to go on dates with her and she just enjoyed that and Martha Graham said to her betty you if you really want to be a number one dancer you're gonna have to give up your social life well Betty loved dance but she wasn't willing to give her whole life to that so she ended up going back to Grand Rapids teaching dance and she also to earn a living she worked at her pool chimers department store she was a fashion coordinator there and she loved fashion she was beautiful she was a model for her pool shimmers and that's how she earned her living so she also when she went back to Grand Rapids met a boy she ended up marrying his name was Bill Warren and and I think this was something that I don't know did you even know about this growing up that your mother had been married before we we did know about it but they didn't talk it's about that yeah the five year five year misunderstanding so yeah a lot of people didn't know that so it turned out that so so Betty's father had been a traveling salesman and when she was 16 she came home one day and found that he had taken his own life during the Great Depression he had lost his job she also found out at his funeral that he had been an alcoholic she didn't know that because he traveled all the time it turned out that she married a man bill Warren who was just like her father so she decided to divorce him which in the knew that she couldn't live the rest of her life like this so she divorced him and she swore that she was never going to get married again she's going to be an independent woman and that's when Jerry Ford showed up and he swept her off her feet and he proposed very quickly but it when he asked her to marry him she said yes and he said we can't get married right away because there's something I have to do but I can't tell you what it is well she trusted him so much and she said that's fine whatever Jerry wants to do and she would come to find out that the thing he was going to do was he was going to run for Congress now she didn't know what running for Congress meant but she thought if Jerry Ford wanted to do it that was just fine and then what she learned a little bit more she thought we'll only old men with white hair go to Congress so Jerry's not going to end up going to Congress well sure enough he he was running and they they decided to get married but he the reason he didn't want to get married too soon was he was afraid that because Betty had been too forced before that could hurt his chances for election this was in the 40s so they did end up getting married on October 15 and there's a reason for that date right Mike yeah so October 15th it's a Friday and you know had to get married on a Friday because Michigan was playing on Saturday that was her honeymoon she they were married in Grace Church in Grand Rapids and had a big party and they jumped in the car and drove Ann Arbor for the big game and that's how their life started yeah so she knew right away what she was getting into right there was a lot of football in that house then was three boys to follow so she thought she was marrying a lawyer from Grand Rapids well now all of a sudden she's married to a congressman and they moved to Washington DC and and Mike well Mike came along soon thereafter and growing up you would often go to down to Congress take through the Capitol with your dad and that was kind of like your playground right so my father was all in with his career in the house and and mom had the four children to try to manage and keep up with and she was doing a wonderful job with that but on Saturdays my dad went to the office but he always brought the boys down you know the three three three boys to give mom a break and this was a ritual where he you take us to his office he maybe got a haircut he throw us in front of a desk and I said computer it was and he said not you all of you this is how you type so we start learning out Peck but he says you need to write your mother a letter and tell her how much you love her and how special she is and so he he would often did his work and we were typing those letters and and then we'd finished that and then we'd run around the halls of the Capitol and we you know get lost and we literally got lost in the halls and we have to ask the policeman you know where where's Jerry Ford's office so we could get us back but we go home and we have our letters and we give them to my mom and she opened each one and and it was like the first time she'd ever read that and we probably did it you know 30 times that's wonderful so that was their way of sharing the parenting and for us to you know kind of express our love to mom going out and got your dad some good brownie points with your mom because he was gone a lot and your mother really was the the one that was caring for all four of you kids as you grew up and what so what kind of mother was she well she was very much a managed managing you know chief managing officer or whatever of the house she kept the calendar she all the doctor's appointments and the you know athletic events and she was Cub Scout den mother sunday-school teacher and she was always kind of moving us from place to place you know as you know any dutiful loving mother would because my my dad was away a lot when he was there he was all there it was fully you know engaged Sundays were sacred for us as a family but mom was really going hard charging and very much a manager of our lives yeah and in her own memoir she said she spent a lot of time in the emergency room yeah with you boys particularly which what is it this time so yeah a very athletic family so yes so that was Betty's life and she was very involved as a congressman's wife as well she when they were first married she would go in and sit and watch what was going on because she wanted to learn what her husband's job was about so that when he came home in the evenings she could talk to him intelligently about what he was doing and so she really took an interest in politics and and all of that so as the kids grew so there were four children eventually Mike Jack Steve and Susan and Betty started to feel at one point that you know there was just a lot going on and like many mothers then and now what about me you know she had been a career woman and now she's giving giving giving to her family and she had she had an incident in which she was reaching across the kitchen sink to open a window probably to yell at one of the boys in the backyard and she woke up the next day in excruciating pain ended up in the hospital right pinched nerve a pinched nerve and the doctors prescribed pain medication very strong pain medication and when she got out of the hospital she was concerned that this might act up again so she asked the doctor what do I do if it acts up again and he said well don't let that happen take your medication every four hours and that's what she did and and she also went to see a psychiatrist for depression which he was very open about and the psychiatrist prescribed Valium so and none of the doctors mentioned that you know maybe having that vodka tonic at six o'clock with your husband while you're taking all these medications is not a good idea nobody ever said that and it wasn't known really back then so this this kind of started this is just to let you see and how things developed but you know as the fate you this was this was just your normal family and you really didn't see anything no it was your mother it wasn't something that we observed I mean everybody you know our lives were fairly crazy and you know was for children and so it was sometimes survival just to get through all that but we didn't really see any effect on her functioning at that time right and I don't know many of you if you're from Michigan you might notice where this picture is boy mountain window was a favorite skiing spot for you alright was so as Lisa said my father and mother were vote both very athletic you know big football player from the University of Michigan mom was a you know a major professional dancer and so they they kind of came to skiing you know later you know as they were adults partly because of the attraction to winter sports but also it was a social thing for them it took kind of some of their former boyfriends and girlfriends were skiers so that got him anyway they kept us engaged as kids and we'd go up to boy Mountain over between Christmas and New Year's and they'd throw us into the ski school in the morning so they could go ski and then in the afternoons we would all ski together as a family and it was it was a wonderful time at born mountain until one winter the snow wasn't too good in Michigan so friends of mom and dad's said well you know if you've been out too and so we took this trip to Vail Colorado when it was nothing it was yeah you know one hotel and and the mountains were a lot better and the snow was a lot more plentiful and you know God bless born mountain we never once you went to Vail Valley they´ll became their second home really they bought a condominium there and they would spend summers and Christmas there so and as you got older your parents really wanted you kids to be involved with politics and current events right I mean you had family discussions about what was going on yeah so in the living room but also actually more around our dinner table we when dad would come in he'd always have his evening swim if you knew again that was his therapy we did build a swimming pool in our little little backyard and he would kind of cleanse himself from you know work and on the hill and then come into the we'd have dinner and around the table he would we talk about these different issues in society I remember many heated discussions around the civil rights movement around Vietnam just our role as a nation in Vietnam and that transition and just many other things and that was I think a place where they first instilled in us this sense of civic duty and responsibility and curiosity so yeah that was a that was a those are special times and it's been passed on hopefully to all of our children yeah and so during this time your father is rising through the ranks in Congress and he becomes minority leader and in nineteen getting tired of you know this whole Washington life she had comfort ooh she thought it was a two-year term you know and you know 20 years go by and he promised Betty that he was going to run one more time in 1974 and then he would announce his retirement in 1975 and Betty knew that Gerry's word was good as gold so he's gonna go back to practicing law and you come back to Grand Rapids and kind of spend more time you know in Michigan but there was a different story there yeah so so in 1968 Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew are elected and then overwhelmingly again in 1972 and history intervenes when vice president Agnew resigns and all of a sudden Nixon has to nominate a vice president now did you you knew your dad was on the shortlist there was a list of about 10 names that were circling around and you were away at college at this point at graduate school yeah okay so did you really think your father was going to be named his vice president not at all I was not on did not think it was gonna happen my mother did not either she she was not feeling like that was in the in the future there if you remember back then the name that was being circulated it was John Conway from Texas he was you know everyone saying he's going to be the new vice president and lo and behold Richard Nixon pivots and he chooses Gerald Ford from Michigan and it rocked our world so yes so all of a sudden and you know that there's we go into depth in the book about this about how this all happened and the phone call and everything and you know Betty is just overwhelmed because she really didn't expect this and then in December of 1974 am I getting my ears right 73 okay seven it right 73 he is confirmed as vice-president and what does he do he plants a big kiss on Betty right afterwards and you could see the Speaker of the House looking like you know but there are so many pictures of Jerry and Betty in these wonderful embraces and they really had a wonderful love story but when this happened your dad apparently said to your mother don't worry Betty vice presidents don't do anything anyway unless the president resigned so now where were you when you found out your dad was going to become president right so this was in August you know 74 Gail and I my wife had just married July 5th you know a month earlier now this backstory on that was we were supposed to be married in August okay and it was you know something everyone the family was excited about and you know she you know mom and dad were wanting to make it right and not you know make it too public so they actually came to us not knowing what was going to happen because you know the things with Watergate were were just unfolding each day was a different revelation and so they actually suggested that we move our wedding up to July just to be same so we did July 5th we are going back to graduate school she was at Boston University I was at gordon-conwell Theological Seminary and and driving up to you know we actually spoke to mom and dad said you know hey we got any started school what do you think should we stick around no go so we're driving up this was in the day when there was no cell phones and so we are on the road with our you you know u-haul and we get up there literally get up there they've been looking for us because we get up there and there is the press corps at our house our little apartment there's our friends waiting for us and then we find out I mean literally find out that Nixon had resigned was going to resign and that was going to change everything so we had to jump on a plane the next day to come to Washington for the swearing-in of my father that was a big summer for the Ford family dad becomes president so yeah so this is August 9th 1974 and your mother said in her memoir that this was the saddest day of her life why do you think that is why did she say I remember her saying that I think for two reasons at one level she was very sad as many of us were to see a sitting president Richard Nixon have to resign from office this was a dark day for our nation for many reasons and that has never happened before and I think at the other level for my mother you know she was looking forward to dad retired you know he had promised and you know she could kind of see you know a quieter you know more you know any more intimate life and and she felt like this was you know just ramping it up to another life now the good news is that she came to realize that as first lady she was only a little few hundred yards from his office so it was really wonderful to have him so close by and so she actually saw him and he spent more time together in the White House then when he was moving around traveling speaking in Congress and so yeah so that day actually you know it had to have been over well mning and right little different them yeah right after that after after the swearing in there you go you go into the Oval Office and have this family portrait taken and then your dad goes to work his first day of work and the family goes back to their house in Alexandria because the Nixons had left so suddenly there was no inauguration there were no inaugural balls the White House wasn't ready for you to move into so the family goes back to the house while President Ford now has his first day in office you're having a little party there with the neighbors it's not every day your dad becomes president so and then your dad comes in later that evening and you're Betty was pulling a lasagna out of the oven and do you remember what she and says you know your President of the United States and I'm working in the kitchen something's wrong with this picture there's something wrong here I'm still cooking so I don't think she really cooked much after that did she so so they actually lived at their house at 5:14 crown View Drive in Alexandria for the first 10 days of Gerald Ford's presidency which I found astonishing and you at UF presumably went back to yeah went back to you know our graduate school and we're coming to visit often yeah so then seven weeks later you get another sort of devastating really devastating piece of news my mother had her annual checkup with her doctor and they discovered she had a lump in her breast so this was a shocker that she was you know breast cancer and that they needed to do some you know immediate treatment and you know back then that was you know kind of the early stage of breasts you know cancer detection and treatment I remember dad calling we were up in in Massachusetts and I never heard him I guess there were two times when I heard him emotional one when his mother Dorothy Ford died and the other time was when mom had this breast cancer and he told us and that she was going for treatment maybe surgery and and the one thing I also remember is and I'm not sure of this in the book but he wrote mom this beautiful love letter before she went into surgery and it's really precious yeah you know regardless of what happens you know you're my soul mate and the way things were back then I mean this is 1974 75 74 I'm getting my dates all mixed up now 74 and you couldn't say breast on television when people had cancer it was whispered about it was not something you talked publicly about and when Betty went in she would go under general anesthesia and they would were going to do a biopsy and if it was malignant while she was under general anesthesia they would remove her breast so she went into the hospital a not knowing if she had cancer and B not knowing if she would wake up with her breasts removed so you know just completely different than the way it's done now and and she was adamant to go public with this with this very personal decision because she felt that other women were going through the same thing and they were terrified too and that was very oh yeah I spoke to who she was as being you know very you know forthright open and and also wanting to help others who were facing similar crisis in their life yeah and so she when she came out with this women's healthcare literally changed overnight because women started lining up at doctors offices calling their doctors to get breast exams there were pictures in the newspaper of how to do self exams and all of a sudden research and funding started and that became a lifelong commitment of Betty's so she realized at this point now she's first lady she can make a difference and one of the things she started talking about was the Equal Rights Amendment so yeah so mom was you know very outspoken about the role of women in society and she now I had a platform I guess as the first lady and you know this is when the feminist movement was just beginning and and you know she would not maybe think of herself as a radical feminist but she was a strong feminist and and pretty radical for her day to go and champion you know equal rights for women equal pay for equal work equal education Social Security everything which would be hopefully captured through an Equal Rights Amendment so she was campaigning for that publicly much to the concern of not so much my dad but all of my dad's staff they thought she was a little too vocal about this and you know the pushback and the public opinion wasn't wasn't going to be that great and so she said what she well Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld went to President Ford and said could you ask Betty to tone it down and your dad said to them if you want her to tone it down you go tell and neither one of them did and they confirmed that story with me last year when I saw them so a year after your your mom became first lady she agreed to go on 60 minutes and I'm gonna play you a little clip of this it really brings her to life and you'll see this spunky lady unafraid to answer all these questions this is 1975 yes I told my husband we have to be honest exactly how you feel and I feel very strongly that it was the thing in the world when the Supreme Court voted to legalize abortion and in my words bring it out of the backwoods and put it in the hospitals where it belong I thought it was a great great decision we've also talked about young people living well human being like all the young girls if you wanted to continue in I would certainly counsel on advise her on subject and I want to know pretty much about the young man that she was planning to get here was it was a pretty young to start affairs Betty bloomer would have been the kind of girl who at least experimented with marijuana oh I'm sure I probably when I was growing up at their age I probably would have any interested to see what the effect I never would have gone into it as a habit or anything like that it's the type of thing that young people have to experience like your first beer or your first cigarette something like that I think everyone be fascinated know what is the issue that you were you said chatter pull it down and say listen I want you to listen what a lot of it had to do with perhaps putting a woman in the cabinet and won that one isn't that crazy what what are you thinking when you watch that well she's a woman ahead of her time that's for sure you know when we we saw that it did kind of make us a little nervous because she was talking about the family maybe a little more two more little too transparent but then again it was refreshing it was you know is the woman that was our mother and we knew her as someone who spoke her mind and was you know honest and and really thinking about you know what is the best for you know all people so I I'm just glad she you was able to you know be outspoken like this yeah yeah and you know we just loved Betty I'm gonna go through these next ones a little bit quickly she brought dancing back to the White House White House parties were fun again and Jerry and Betty were always the last ones to leave the dance floor and then came the campaign of 1976 and her she was actually more popular than your father at in the polls at times and unfortunately Jerry Ford did not win that election and he lost his voice at the end of the campaign and your mother actually gave the concession speech so I want to just move forward quickly to what happened next it's a terrible time losing you know that election but then there was your mom and dad stayed in the White House for a couple more months and the last day her last full day in the White House she's do you want to tell the story still a story the photo is out here in the hallway to what probably my favorite photo of my mother you know in his first lady so this is the Cabinet Room in the West Wing very sacred you know serious you know you know presidential space and she was with David Kenner Lee who was the White House photographer and they were kind of finishing up you know the last day of occupancy in the White House and walked by there and she said to David you know I've always wanted to get on top of that table and David you've got to know David David is a prankster himself he said I miss this Ford please do go ahead go for it and so she took off her shoes and she went up and gave a dancers pose on the cabinet table and that was her final farewell to the White House and then she did this and that ended up being the cover of the Betty Ford book so we want to make time for some questions from the audience so you know the the book chronicles Betty's whole life and obviously a big part of her life was what happened the following year and the family had a very painful intervention and we describe that in the book and is it accurate as you remember it and yeah it's very well accounted for in the in the book it was a very difficult painful time for our family as would for any family facing an intervention for loved one we we were somewhat you know in the dark about how serious my mom's illness was with alcohol and drug addiction my sister was you know with out there in California and saw the changes in my mother and the deterioration and the rest of the boys we were spread out but fortunately with some medical help Susan and had you know conferred and and really talked through what can we do to basically save her life and so they proposed this intervention by the family and so we got the call and you know we were like this is terrible and can we do this but we jumped on the plane all of us converged in Palm Springs we had a time to talk through mom's illness with medical professionals and we talked about it and prayed about it as a family and then we got some coaching on what an intervention does and in April 1st 1978 it they were she was surprised to see Gail and I because we were you know in Pittsburgh at that time and we all came in and had this this very serious encounter but loving encounter and basically the message was you know mom we love you who love you dearly this is not your problem this is our problem and we will together as a family get through this and she finally released her defenses and accepted that and went into detox and from there and the rest is kind of history she she turned that around just like breast cancer and in 1982 she co-founded the Betty Ford Center with Leonard Firestone and the Betty Ford Center has since served over a hundred thousand patients saved countless lives and the the book also is a love story of your parents and it's I hope you'll all get the book and and learn so much more about Betty Ford and Mike it's been such a pleasure to share this with you and the final quote there a final final quote well yeah there is one thank you for reminding good we talked about yes your father once said when the final tally is taken her contribution will be larger than mine do you agree with that I understand where my father's coming from when he says that and I think both my father my mother and each in their own way made enormous contributions to the health and well-being of many people in our nation and I think for my mother as Lisa does so well in the book and when she talks about Betty Ford as a trailblazer as someone who is an advocate someone who was a survivor first lady it is embodies who she is because she was a woman ahead of her time who had tremendous vision and purpose for other women in particular and their health and well-being their role in society being elevated to an equal level and then when she fought her own demons of alcohol and drug addiction she came out and said there are so many other people that need this help as well let's create this wonderful facility and be bringing other people through the treatment and the recovery like I have and so in many ways she's lived a significant life and legacy and their love story I would simply say they where my mother gave so much and made so many sacrifices early in her life as the wife of a congressman for kids you know just pretty insignificant roll at in society and my dad was out there doing all these great things it reversed it reversed after they went to the desert and when my mother came to realize her illness and go through recovery the first person that was there by her side to champion her efforts to get well to create this beautiful Betty Ford Center to raise money was my dad and he was second fiddle she was the center piece and they shared 58 beautiful years together and impacted our lives and many others so very special so beautiful so anybody have any questions do we need microphones yes there's a microphone so wait till she brings the microphone to you and take this one right here thank you hi Lisa hi Mike thank you for being here Lisa knowing what you know about Betty for today if you could talk to her today what would you say to her oh gosh I think Betty and I would be really good girlfriends I would say thank you first of all just thank you and I just want to have fun with her because she just seemed like such a fun lady Oh over here let's go over here sure I always wondered why Betty wore a blue dress for her wedding maybe it was a dark blue dress I'm guessing that because she had been married before that you never really talked about it but I think because it was her second marriage yeah that's why it was and she designed it as well yes yes here hi Mike this question is for you how do you think your mother would react or what would she say about the me to movement and those things going on today I you know was anticipating that she would be a champion for that movement you know she I think understands that a woman's voice in back then in the 70s and even today in 2018 in terms of their voice in challenging some of the social expectations practices of today is not heard and needs to be expressed and that there's many victims in society that have pushed it down their experiences their you know abuse or assault and needs to be listened to and respected and given you know given a you know some kind of recourse you know some kind of so I think she would be a strong advocate for sexual abuse and assault victims young next any more questions do we have a microphone over here this is more of a remembrance one of my favorite political events I ever saw on television was when the tribute was to former President Ford and Tip O'Neill of course as the Democratic Speaker of the House and Ford when the house was was the Minority Leader they got along so well something is so lacking today I mean those guys really hit it off well and they were doing a tribute now to Betty Ford and part of this too and somebody was going to sink to Betty Ford and Tip O'Neill grabbed that microphone I'm gonna sing to Betty and he's saying beautifully when Irish eyes are smiling I know I should have interviewed you for the book part two the addendum any other questions I interviewed over 70 people for this book people that were colleagues friends and of course all the family members yes ma'am this was a lovely lovely discussion I had a chance to hear Steve speak in Palm Springs on the week his dad became president and it was just as as moving as this was my question is this is such a phenomenal story both their lives are you making a movie from your lips to God's ears we'll work on that one yes over here Mike I'm proud to say I voted for your dad in 1976 I doubt your father could get elected sewer commissioner now on the Republican ticket so what would your father say about what's happened to the extreme and elements the repeal of all parties these days but particularly the Republican Party okay I thought we were talking about Betty Ford no I I would I would feel like my father would be very sad and disturbed by the evolution of the Republican Party to a more extreme right perspective the the formal party and I think he would be very concerned just disappointed in just the the high intense partisanship that is going on at all levels of governments and you know it's this gentleman over here said my father some of you know I mean this is very very best friends were on the other side of the aisle and we're Democrats and and they had tremendous respect in regard for each other though they differed on political something philosophy and in policy they were able to conduct civil conversations and in respectful engagement and work out compromise too so the government was working you know instead of stalemate and so I I know he would be very sad to just kind of see where we are right now and and hopefully we can you know with institutions like the Ford School of Public Policy you know bring change positive change do that so and more women we have a couple questions over here yes sir do you have any idea if Betty Ford's mother had a similar sort of personality in terms of honesty and directness and speaking her mind I did get that impression her mother died shortly after Jerry was elected the first time so you never knew you never knew her but in Betty's own memoir she talks about her mother and how what a strong-willed woman she was and then and after Betty's father died her mother had to go out and get a job she worked as a real estate agent so she had that role model in her life of a strong woman speaking up for herself and standing up for herself was there went over here yeah I just had a question about the relationship between Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and and and whether that carried over at all in terms of a relationship between the two couples or between the two women Rosalyn Carter also in her own way having been a very strong do you wanna talk or do you want me to talk about that yeah why don't you start because I was in the books on yeah so I can add to that yeah I actually interviewed Rosalyn Carter for the book down in Georgia and she and Betty formed this wonderful friendship and partnership later in in the 80s because Rosalyn Carter's cause was mental health issues and as Betty was you know really championing for more insurance to cover treatment for alcohol and drug addiction the two of them got together and they actually lobbied Congress together these two former first ladies whose husbands had you know been rivals and what an example that set really was fabulous yeah and yeah we as you know time passed after the election of 76 the relationship between my father and mother and the Carters really warmed up and and strengthened this excellent example around policy of mental health but also they my father and president former President Carter also did a number of speaking in forums together around human rights if you remember my dad was one of his major accomplishment was the Helsinki agreements in in Europe which really broke open the discussion and the kind of started that slippery slope of human rights among communist bloc nations and Jimmy Carter carried human rights across the globe and so they really came together with great respect and admiration and friendship and even to the point that and my father's funeral Jimmy Carter was one of the eulogist for that so again yeah bipartisan you know respect that is the strength of the American democracy so do we have any more questions okay thank you this was really just a very moving and an insightful and fabulous discussion between the two of you I'm really grateful for both of you being willing to do it here at the Ford school and in the Betty we are I'm gonna have a reception after this everybody's welcome to join for that Lisa and Michael have a little time to chat further at the reception if you'd like a tour of the Ford school we have Ford school students outside we'll give you a tour of the Ford school and I have a wonderful wonderful Homecoming weekend and go blue and then and the Betty Ford book is available for the Betty Ford book is available for sale and sign it outside please please enjoy